A Kangaroo Court?

Richard R. La Croix (apparently) deduced the following:

Before eating the forbidden fruit, Adam and Eve either knew that disobeying God was evil or they didn’t.

If they didn’t, then they can’t be blamed for disobeying him.

If they did, then they already possessed the knowledge that God had forbidden.

Either way, God could not justly banish them from Eden.

(Adduced by Richard R. La Croix.)

I think that Richard is doing some great logical deduction work, but his conclusion is based on a few facts not in evidence. First: His logic assumes that we all know that being in Eden was just or good or desirable. It’s unclear what Eden means to Richard. Second: He makes no assumptions about the existence of God, so we will, for the sake of this argument, assume there is a God.

Clearly Richard is trying to prove with logic that either God is unjust or that he simply doesn’t exist. I submit there’s another option:

The logic here states that if Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil and they did something evil, they can’t be blamed for it.

If they can’t be blamed for it, they can’t be punished for it by a just being.

Because they were kicked out of Eden, it must be true that being out of Eden is not a punishment.

Further examination of this thought process reveals something interesting about human suffering and our relationship with God. Can a just God allow us to leave peace and tranquility for suffering? Is pain and struggle in this life a form of punishment? What can this tell us about the nature of suffering and mortality? What does this mean for the idea of original sin and sins of the parents being visited on the heads of the children?

The LDS philosophy and doctrine teaches many unique and thrilling insights on the plan of salvation and the role played by Adam and Eve. Logic tends to back up these teachings and gives us one simple choice: either it’s true or it’s not. The real crux  of religious examination is not found in flaws in scripture or members, but is found in the genuine search for this one simple answer: Is it true?

If we take scripture as being true

Then God is just.

If we take scripture as being true

Then God desires to bless all his children.

If God is just, evicting Adam and Eve was no punishment.

If God is loving, then leaving Eden was for their good and for the good of all their children.


Greg is a business owner, writer, husband and father. (not in that order, though.)

Posted in my thoughts, Plain and Precious Truths, The Nature of God
2 comments on “A Kangaroo Court?
  1. GodKillzYou says:

    I would take exception to your statement that…

    Because they were kicked out of Eden, it must be true that being out of Eden is not a punishment.

    Look at Genesis 3:16-19. These things were also part of God’s punishment for those who had no prior knowledge of Good and Evil.

    16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

    18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

    19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

    Before the eating of the apple, Eden was free from all of this suffering. I would also contend that their location wasn’t all that important. Whether they were in Eden or not, there was no suffering before God’s unjust punishment.

    • Greg says:

      I have to say that in none of these verses does God describe these things as punishment. I even think the wording of verse 17 is indicative of God’s attitude towards his children: “cursed is the ground *for thy sake*”

      Isn’t it possible that God knows what is best for us and that this was his way not of punishing Adam and Eve, but somehow making things better than they would have been had He not acted?

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